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Lou Ann
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« on: May 16, 2009, 01:59:56 PM » |
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I did this garden stake last summer for a friend and she left it out all winter and look what happened...
I'm not sure how to go about fixing this... the foil at the body is still intact so my thought is to remove what was attached to the neck from it... however, the neck is the issue, the foil is torn slightly onto the sides so I know I need to cover it back up but do I need to remove the foil all the way up to the next seam? I really don't want to take the whole head apart if I don't have to because the head is real secure at the top of the neck (I have a second one that I can't get the head to stay on so I would rather not have that issue on both).
any comments would be greatly appreciated -- I tried to take as many angles as I could...
Lou Ann
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JoanFrances
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2009, 04:16:34 PM » |
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why not solder wire into the seam at the wing for the top and to the legs for the bottom.? Don't ya think that will give it some strength.
(just re-read your post, so this answere doesn't cover that question, sorry)
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Rebecca
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2009, 05:29:44 PM » |
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As long as the foil overlaps some so that the solder bead is continuous
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you put some wire along the side of the neck on the top and the bottom edge bridging the seam. The seam is a weak spot; leaving it outside wasn't necessarily the culprit. I also would put wire on each edge where the head and neck join, another weak spot. The legs aren't that strong, either. Does your stake go up futher than the junction of the legs and the body?
Rebecca
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2009, 05:43:29 PM » |
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Rebecca, Please have patience when you read my questions... As long as the foil overlaps some so that the solder bead is continuous So, are you saying I can have a foil edge on the top and it will be okay? I generally sandwich all my foil edges in the seams -- my concern is that the new foil wouldn't stick on top of what is there... you put some wire along the side of the neck on the top and the bottom edge bridging the seam. The seam is a weak spot; leaving it outside wasn't necessarily the culprit. I also would put wire on each edge where the head and neck join, another weak spot. Are you saying to lay wire against the edge where the neck attaches to both the body and head? How big of a piece do I need to use? The legs aren't that strong, either. Does your stake go up futher than the junction of the legs and the body? The stake actually goes all the way up the leg on the left and attaches to the solder seam between the two body pieces (it kind of shows up as dark shadow on the pic of it in the garden) -- the stake is soldered at the bottom and at both seams that it touches thanks for the help Lou Ann |
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Rebecca
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2009, 06:24:07 PM » |
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Putting the overlap of the foil in the middle of a seam is the best way to do it, but if reinforce with wire it will be okay. Even if you take the head off and completely re-foil the neck, I would reinforce with wire. You can run wire all the way around the entire piece if you want, but at least put it at the problem spots. Hang on and I will make a sketch so you can see it.
That's what I thought that shodow was - good thing, that would be the break-off place if the stake didn't run up there.
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2009, 06:26:36 PM » |
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thank you
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Rebecca
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2009, 06:31:15 PM » |
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I'm not as good in Paint as Graham, but the wire should be along the edge of your piece, you can edge bead right over it. Whatever thickness you have is fine. Small will be easy to use and should keep it together. If it's too large it is hard to bend into small spaces. So use whatever you can find that isn't too hard for you to handle. I don't like to use the itty bitty, but all the foreign-made stuff uses it. The yellow smudges are where you need it. You don't have to go the whole neck, but you might as well once you start.
Rebecca
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2009, 06:44:57 PM » |
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I get it now... thank you so much for showing me this -- I have 18 and 20 gauge on spools as well as some smaller stuff that I get in plastic coating at the hardware store, I'll play with them and see which is more manageable. my coworker will be so happy to get hers back and my boss will be happy if I can get the second one done so she can give it to her mom for her birthday... I knew you would know how to fix this -- I almost sent it to you with the postage to send it back but I didn't want to ruin the stake when I tried to unsolder it.... thanks again Lou Ann  |
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Rebecca
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2009, 09:14:01 PM » |
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Aww, gee! Once you see a few things that fell apart, it's easy to see what the problems are.
Rebecca
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2009, 09:33:42 PM » |
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I seriously wish I could get it to work out so I could spend a day in your shop watching you do repairs... I would learn so much
thanks again for the help -- these will get done as soon as I solder the cat...
the wierd thing with the one that is a year old, it went together no problem and it felt strong -- I like to wiggle things to make sure they are solid... the second one has been together twice and both times the top of the head comes off when I was the flux off (I'm being gentle at that point)
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Graham
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2009, 10:33:45 PM » |
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Not wire!! Use restrip. Melt the solder off for an inch or two either side of where the neck separated above and below. Re-foil the adjoining pieces of neck and body.
Re-solder the neck onto the body, then bury some restrip in the bead above and below the joint.
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2009, 10:37:29 PM » |
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Graham,
the restrip I have is a little taller than the glass -- how do you cover this in the finished project?
would the braided stuff also work? I have some of that too...
thanks
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Graham
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2009, 08:09:16 AM » |
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Graham,
the restrip I have is a little taller than the glass -- how do you cover this in the finished project?
would the braided stuff also work? I have some of that too...
thanks
The woven stuff would work, but I've never considered it to be as strong as re-strip. As for the "height" issue, I would worry more about the strength than the edge of the restrip sticking out a bit. If it's a great concern, let the restrip stick out from the least visible side, and taper the ends a bit. It will still be visible on close inspection, but unless you're expecting folks to get down on their hands and knees to inspect you flamingo - it shouldn't be a problem. |
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2009, 08:12:58 AM » |
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thanks Graham,
I think this is the avenue I'm going to try first because I've not had good experiences soldering wire to the edge...
Lou Ann
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Graham
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2009, 08:44:57 AM » |
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Wire's half-way good. Wire will protect from pulling apart, but does little to add lateral strength.
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 09:12:52 AM » |
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I'm actually excited to do this repair now that I know how....
maybe I'll get motivated enough today to finish the cat, do all my chores around the house and do the repairs...
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Rebecca
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2009, 10:37:52 AM » |
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Graham's right; restrip is a lot stronger, wire is easier. Or not!
Rebecca
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2009, 10:48:59 AM » |
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Graham's right; restrip is a lot stronger, wire is easier. Or not!
Rebecca
Rebecca, did it hurt to say Graham was right? Wire tries my patience -- I used the restrip on the guitar I did and it worked okay, just had to pin it every 1/16th" |
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Rebecca
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« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2009, 03:06:01 PM » |
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Graham's right; restrip is a lot stronger, wire is easier. Or not!
Rebecca
Rebecca, did it hurt to say Graham was right? Wire tries my patience -- I used the restrip on the guitar I did and it worked okay, just had to pin it every 1/16th" No, I don't mind admitting when he is right or when I'm wrong. Someone who can't admit when he is wrong has a BIG problem! I think wire is easier, but I realize that people are different and you or anyone else may find restrip easier. Rebecca |
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Lou Ann
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« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2009, 03:14:24 PM » |
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For some reason I thought you hated to admit when Graham is right, must be thinking of someone else... is it Vic you don't like to tell he's right? or maybe it isn't you and it's Eric and Vic...
I have 2 of them to do so I may actually try both ways to see which I like better, I think the restrip will be easier on the lower end of the neck but not sure how easy it will be to get up under the head at the top...
thanks for all your help, I really appreciate it.
Lou Ann
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