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ct4mom
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« on: March 31, 2010, 07:27:48 PM » |
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I made a panel for a judge's retirement, the panel is 18 x 20 and I explained to the person who commissioned me about hanging it with 2 chains. I used the hooks Kev designed and framed it in 1/2" zinc. Well the Judge called me today and told me the hooks bent and a section of the zinc is pulling away. He further explained that he feels it's his fault as he hung the chains from the side of the window frame and not from above at a 45degree angle. He also said the window which he is hanging it from is about 5' wide by at least 10' high.I told him that he should have hung it from the top of the window not the side. If I repair it and put the same hooks back on is hanging this suspended by chains of at least 3' long going to pull the hooks? Does anybody have any advise on how to tell him to hang it?
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Kev
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« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2010, 07:32:32 PM » |
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I know there are those that are not fussy for the hooks, but I have not had a problem with them at all, but then again I hang them with the weight pulling down on them not laterally. You could just replace the piece of zinc and then solder on copper wire rings at a solder joint if you feel that will be more secure....or..put it in a wooden frame.
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Rebecca
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2010, 07:34:34 PM » |
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Is the judge too cheap to buy enough chain to hang it from the top of the window like you told him? I don't know how strong the hooks you put on it are, but if he is hanging it to the sides of the window frame, it is going to pull apart no matter how strong your hooks/rings are.
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Wayne
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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2010, 07:36:08 PM » |
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If the hooks are anchored solidly, then the hanging of 1 or 3' of vertical chain would not matter. Make sure the zinc is secure too.
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ct4mom
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2010, 07:44:54 PM » |
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Thanks Guys, Maybe I should have put instructions on hanging the panel with it instead of depending on someone else telling him (live and Learn).
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nansea121
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« Reply #5 on: April 01, 2010, 06:26:21 AM » |
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This is the first time I've ever heard anyone hanging a panel from the window sides instead of from the top frame.  It must have looked awkward to see it hung up that way. There's a saying - form follows function. How the panel is presented (in this case, how it's hung) would be part of the function. After all the mechanics of the piece are done, the beauty of the panel (the form) can be admired. ...and that ain't no April fool!!!  ...hehehhe |
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Wayne
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« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2010, 06:58:08 AM » |
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It does make a lot of sense to hang a panel by the sides in that type of window. The chosen method did not work with the way the panel was setup though.
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ct4mom
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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2010, 09:55:13 AM » |
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Wayne, Where would you put the hooks for hanging it from the side?
The problem here started with the guy deciding not to fully retire and not hang it in his home but in his office...lol
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nansea121
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« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2010, 10:34:04 AM » |
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Di, I put mine on the upper side of the zinc came side. That way the whole weight is supported.
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Wayne
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« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2010, 10:37:38 AM » |
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Wayne, Where would you put the hooks for hanging it from the side?
The problem here started with the guy deciding not to fully retire and not hang it in his home but in his office...lol
Di, if hanging it from the side, you would not use chain and hooks but rods mounted on the window frame which terminate in the side of the panel's frame. I thought I had a picture of it but can not locate it yet. I, originally, was opposed to doing it that way but ate my words when it was done. It turned out pretty neat. |
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nansea121
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« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2010, 10:55:39 AM » |
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ahhhh! I see what you mean now Wayne.  We have a thick wooden dowel (6' long) that connects to the sides of one of the larger windows here at Dan's where we hang various sizes of panels from. For us, it makes the displays change-able (and slide-able) without adding alot of extra holes in the woodwork. |
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ct4mom
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2010, 11:11:20 AM » |
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That was an option I was I was thinking about Nancy, but I think Wayne's option is different. I'm thinking its connected to the panel.....hope he finds the picture!
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Wayne
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2010, 11:21:42 AM » |
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Yes, the two are different. One is like the shower curtain idea and does in fact save from having holes everywhere and changes to the items on display are simple and quick. The other idea is fixed so that the four horizontal rods hold the frame with panel in place.
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2010, 01:21:45 PM » |
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However it's to be hung, it's important that the method of hanging take into account the direction of the load, and distribute it properly. The pic below is for hanging to the sides of a window at about a 45 degree angle.
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nansea121
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2010, 03:34:29 PM » |
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I'd go for 2 long chains and let the panel hang from the upper wooden window frame. It'll be easy for your client to take it home when he retires.
I'm not sure if this can apply but here is another idea if you want to hang one or more things overhead. At my place in Canada, I use a length of heavy metal tract (the kind that's used for adjustable shelving) and screw that up into the upper wooden window sash so things can hang down to whatever level. It's easy to hook into one of the numberous holes to suit the width of the panel.
Here is a picture one to show what I mean. Only difference here is that this strip is mounted on the side wall rather than over head. I got the idea from one of my teachers who is able to hang heavy panels using this system. These are some of my earlier pieces. I put the hangers into the zinc sides now.
Maybe this got off the topic a little, but might be a good idea for your studio:)
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2010, 06:16:32 PM » |
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Cool ideas everyone! Nancy I like the adjustable metal shelf stuff, whatever it's called. And the idea of the dowels! I've got a spot in my shop that I try to hang finsihed work for people to see (and hopefully buy) but one area is so high up that I have to get on a ladder and then step up onto a 1/2 wall to reach them. I can see all the way down to the second floor via the stairwell..keep hoping I never take a misstep while I'm up there. LOL.
I'll have to take a picture at some point. But this thread is giving me some ideas for making that an easier place to hang panels!
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ct4mom
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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2010, 09:33:50 PM » |
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I too like the idea of the rod so you can hang more than one panel at a time and also easy to change as your mood does.
I emailed him and explained the two different methods and also mentioned about when he really retires and takes the panel home it would have to be hung the same way as in the office. He agrees with hanging it from the top of the window. Now I just have to get it and see the damage. Thanks for all the help guys I really appreciate it.
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